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Re: [Rollei] a "secret signature" of a R-TLR.. at least some R-TLRs ;-)
- Subject: Re: [Rollei] a "secret signature" of a R-TLR.. at least some R-TLRs ;-)
- From: Jerry Lehrer <jerryleh >
- Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 16:18:26 -0800
- References: <200111060939.fA69dnd15172
WOW! I guess that all my Rolleiflexes have
kept their "secret" to themselves. Just like a
fraternity secret handshake, no outsiders can
see it. I always thought that I was an "insider",
having owned Rolleis since before most of you
have been born (1947). But I guess not.......
> Well guys I would have been surprised that nobody would find the
> solution of my little quiz.
> From Vincent L. Gookin:
> > Perhaps you speak of the trace of marks left on one of the film's
> > edges by the pressure device on the take up spool.
> From P.K. Kollas:
> > well if it went thru properly, the film should have a line of dots
> > along the left edge of the film, made by the wheel that drives the
> > exposure counter. pk
> On my R-T, I always get pressure marks on the edge, outside the image
> area, at the end of the roll near frame 12 on *120* film. The backing
> paper is always wrinkled under the gearwheel around the end of the roll
> an *does* transfer pressure marks toward the end of the film. This
> means that the pressure exerted by the gearwheel is substantial,
> however this ensures that the roll is always tightly spooled. I've
> never had any fogging marks due to a loose roll with my R-TLR. My
> (small) experience of older folding rollfilm cameras is plagued by
> un-tight rolls and light leaks.
> So the "secret signature" is visible with the naked eye on all my B&W
> or colour negs, but not on slides for which the border is black. The
> blank colour neg film did not show this marks, whereas recently exposed
> and processed films in the same camera did show the "secret signature"
> outside the exposed area, so not correlated with actual photons
> entering the camera like the well-known V-grooves on the edges of
> Hasselblad backs.
> Now I realise that this effect probably depends on the pressure
> applied by the gearwheel, the kind of backing paper, film thickness
> and film support.
> From Jerry L.:
> > This may very well be true for 220 film, but I have never used 220
> > in a Rolleiflex, only a H'blad. I see marks on the paper backing of
> > a dummy roll of 120 though, however no pressure marks print-thru
> > onto the film.
> From Richard K.
> > I just looked at my negative file. I found pressure markings from
> > the metering wheel on nearly all of the 120 stuff. These were shot
> > in a Rolleicord IV, a Rolleiflex MX, a Rolleiflex 2.8E on Tri-X Pan
> > (ISO 400) Verichrome Pan, T-Max 400, Ilford FP-4, all developed in
> > D-76 1:1. The marks are not very dense but are on everything except
> > some Technical Pan negs.
> I think I should sell the idea to Hollywood as the clue of a TV
> detective story. The culprit claims that the picture was taken with a
> R-TLR, namely a Rolleicord IV, on Tri-X processed in D-76 1+1. But
> Richard K. called by the local LA police as a consultant shows that
> this is impossible since no pressure marks are printed around frame 12
> ;-);-). On appeal another consultant proves that not all R-TLRs show
> those pressure marks even on 220 films. Eventually the case remains
> unsolved ;-);-)
> Emmanuel BIGLER